caused a stir this winter following her Performa 13 piece, in which she
appeared to cut her tongue with a knife and then used it to paint a line on a
wall at the Studio Museum in Harlem. With early aspirations to become a rapper,
Norris found her way into art through music, which is evident in video works
she created as an undergraduate at UCLA, like Licker
. After finishing her MFA at Yale School of Art in 2012, Norris has
completed numerous residencies, exhibited across the U.S., and will soon have
her first solo show in Europe
. 2014 bodes well
for Norris, now a professor living and working in New Orleans, as her upcoming
projects include a solo show at Lombard
and a feature-length film to premiere at the
Prospect 3 Biennial in New Orleans. We caught up with the artist in anticipation of her Lombard
Freid show, to learn about her practice, background, and inspirations.
Artsy: What can
we expect from your upcoming show at Lombard Freid? How does it differ from
your show at the gallery a year ago?
You can expect large-scale paintings. Larger than me. Open house painting; this
new sculptural way that I’m dealing with the paintings like a minimal tent. It
was much more of a production this time and the use of materials like the
fabrics really speak to my travels, using fabrics from India, from Europe, from
Africa, by way of Harlem.
Artsy: Can you
tell us about your work for the upcoming Prospect 3
Biennial? Is this work informed by its location in New Orleans?
TN: I’m making a
feature-length film; it’s currently titled Meka Jean: How She Got Good,
in collaboration with Garrett Bradley who is a young woman that I met when we
were both at UCLA. She was in grad school in film, I was in undergrad in art,
and we both made our way to New Orleans, one way or another and we realized how
we were dealing with parallel territory within our practices.
This film is very
much informed by the location because it’s about a character, Meka Jean, an
alter-ego of mine, as she’s becoming acquainted again with home after it’s been
destroyed and is being rebuilt. Franklin Sirmans, the curator of the Biennial,
says that he’s coming at it from the approach of the novel The Moviegoer
by Walker Percy; it’s the story of this guy who comes back to New Orleans after
the Korean War and is experiencing life in a new way, and I feel like this film
is somehow a contemporary version of that.
Artsy: Your work
spans painting, video, performance, and music—how do you bridge so many
different media? What has inspired you to work this way? What is it like
translating this into a gallery or museum exhibition?
TN: My mom put
together this scrapbook of pictures of me over the years and gave it to me as a
gift, and I guess it’s the evolution of this character that I’m returning to in
the film. I seem to want to play with clothes and dress up and have this
persona. I guess maybe that’s my first memory of tapping into some sort of
artist identity. It was mostly [about] engaging music and wanting to be like
Sheila E, Cyndi Lauper, Janet Jackson, Prince, Michael Jackson, or Boy
George—all these gender-bending, really interesting characters I sit in
between. So this idea of bridging the media, music has been the propelling
force and I wanted to be a rapper and I had lots of opportunities in Los
Angeles, some that were of integrity, others that were not.
I wanted to be
considered smart and maybe a scholar and I don’t think I could articulate that
at a certain time, but once I got to Santa Monica College my mind started
getting blown. I spent five years there and ended up at UCLA and when I did
that I figured out I could make interesting paintings, I could make things that
people were into like conceptual photography, bring my music and my voice and
my language into my work.
things into a gallery space or a museum really makes it safe, it calls it what
it is, it calls it art. Sometimes I don’t mind when things sit in a space where
people are uncertain about what it is.
Artsy: Can you
share any anecdotes about your professors and what it was like to study under
such established artists and scholars at UCLA and Yale?
TN: What’s crazy
is I really didn’t know the amazing achievements of the professors that I
worked with at UCLA—Barbara Kruger
, Lari Pittman
, Andrea Fraser
, Mary Kelly
, Cathy Opie
, Rodney McMillian
—but it was
great. I realized over time how amazing these people were and I’m kind of happy
that I didn’t know because it made my experience feel a lot more genuine, and
it allowed me to be really bold at times, like when Lari Pittman would say
“we’re gonna have to end class a few minutes early I have to go to a meeting
for Skowhegan something or other” and I’m like “What’s that?” and he tells me
what it is and I’m like “oh yeah I think I saw that, I think I should go there,
I wanna go there, older more experienced artists go there, I’m a little older,
I need that.” It was really great, undergrad was a really, really beautiful,
sweet, tumultuous experience, and it’s something that I’ll never forget. I was
a little bit older and I just really cherish the way nobody bothered me when I
was sleeping in an open studio space for five students with an air mattress and
a coffee table and a crock pot.
And Yale, Yale
was tough. I just can’t even speak on it, it’s just still a little too raw. It
was a very tough time for me.
Artsy: What’s the
most important thing you learned in art school?
TN: Listen to
nothing, but listen to everything.
Artsy: Could you
talk a little bit about your Performa 13 performance? How does that work fit
into your career thus far?
God, this, this performance, this notorious, tough performance. I never
intended to do it more than the one time I did it at Yale. It was meant to be
an exiting gesture, leaving my mark, leaving my DNA forever, within a space
that I absorbed so much from. The second time I was invited by Clifford Owens
to do it at Third Streaming, [which was] like me saying “no, I’m not gonna do
the New York thing, I’m gonna go to New Orleans and do it a different way.”
Then the third time I was invited by Valerie Cassel Oliver, curator at the CAM Houston, to do it for her show “Radical Presence,” an exhibition of black performance artists over
the last 50 years or so, and another situation where I felt like I should do it
and this is me being a part of this historical event among these artists that I
learned about in school—David Hammons
, Carrie Mae Weems
, Terry Adkins
, William Pope.L
, Adrian Piper
, Ulysses Jenkins, Lorraine O’Grady
, the list goes on. Then
at Studio Museum, for Performa, which is kind of me making my mark in this
larger context of performance. It’s been this gesture that has meant different
things at different times.
Artsy: Were there
any reactions to the work that surprised you?
Performa] Valerie Cassel Oliver’s little son Gio, who couldn’t be more than
three or four, was in the audience, and when I was performing he was this
beautiful little meditation in my ear asking little questions like “What are we
doing? Why are we here? What’s happening? What is this?” He was really curious,
but not freaked out at all, while other people are really kind of reacting to
the visceralness of what they believe is happening and he’s just got this sweet
little voice and it really changed the tone of the work for me. It made that
particular performance a really moving one for me.